think the ultimate tip is that, you know, one of the things they taught us at xerox when i was a marketing anal--analyst was, you know, look at people, and if you see their heads shaking, you know that you have them in the s--on the same page with you. i think that's the first tip-off. i think the second thing becomes--last year alone, we had 1,100-and-some new members to join the congregation. so immediately after a sermon, there's always an invitation. at that point, generally, we average about 25, 30 people a sunday, so we know that we're being effective to a major degree. c-span: how much money does your ministry raise every year? >> guest: we raise, in the actual church offerings, about--last year, we raised $7.2 million. and we leveraged that to about $27 million in the various other kind of community projects we do. so we--we don't go to government or financial institutions asking to give us anything, but we say to them that, 'with our $7.2 million, we want to leverage these dollars and get the best that we can so that we can offer the maximum amount of services to t